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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2014, 10:49:16 AM »
Really tempted to go ahead and pick this up.

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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2014, 04:55:20 PM »
Both at Nyaa tracker and at AsianDVDClub you can download the whole Box I now. I won't download it, I will wait for someone to convert, but just saying if anyone is interested.

You don't need to have an account to use Nyaa.

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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2014, 05:27:22 PM »
A complete digital rendition of Saint Seiya ala DBZ Kai would be pretty neat, though I wouldn't know if there's much of a market for it in Japan to spend time working on that. Unless it was aimed for an European and Latin American market. Otherwise, a Blu-Ray release like this seems pretty decent for the time being.

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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2014, 05:30:42 PM »
I'm trying to download it by episodes but it's pretty hard to do so with all these files & folders everywhere..  :'(

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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2014, 05:56:25 PM »
I'm trying to download it by episodes but it's pretty hard to do so with all these files & folders everywhere..  :'(

Maybe you can wait for someone to encode it. Now that the whole Box is public published, it's just a question of time.


A complete digital rendition of Saint Seiya ala DBZ Kai would be pretty neat, though I wouldn't know if there's much of a market for it in Japan to spend time working on that. Unless it was aimed for an European and Latin American market. Otherwise, a Blu-Ray release like this seems pretty decent for the time being.

Kai is the best Q-Tec upscale. Still, an upscale is an upscale. But there's something really good in Kai which didn't happen with Saint Seiya, as it seems.
Color correction. The DVD remaster doesn't have the correct colors, the best example is Seiya V1 Cloth details and his clothes.
Yes, it's intended for his t-shirt and his cloth (the fabric one) to be a bit pinkish, but Pegasus Cloth details and eyes must be bright red.
You can confirm this by watching the remastered movies and seeing original artworks from the 80's.
It would be a hard proccess to do, this color correction, using the DVD remaster as a basis, but it's pretty possbile. Kai is the example.
Still, it would be really dificult to do, since every single episode have it's own color scale. You see this when you watch several episodes, noticing that the color scale changes from episode to episode by seeing the OP and ED color differences.

I think that if you pay for an expensive box, even if it is an upscale, this is the minimum expected.

Kai examples:
http://kanzentai.com/guide/production/kai_remaster/color_comp-lg.png

I always thought Vegeta's hair is black, but it's actually brown

An original cel

http://i.imgur.com/5gbLF8L.png

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Kai upscale color correction
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img843/3306/csvk.png

Dragon Box Vs. Original Broadcast Colours
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/2pimp4u/media/vegetacoroect3.png.html (this isn't from Kai. I guess it's a real HD transfer attempt, you can see the grainy here. I'm not a real DB fan, btw)

As I said, for the price they sold it, this is the minimum expected. If they can't do at least this, so the boxes aren't worth enough.

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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #65 on: July 10, 2014, 11:07:12 AM »
Finally, a sample: http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=573395

Only the OP, though.

Judging by this video, I really disliked it. The upscale colors with Q-Tec filters got a bit weird, and my most deception was to heard that the audio quality is probably less/inferior than the one on the original DVDs! I listened both now with headphones.
And this is the truth, since the audio from this file is lossless, FLAC format.   :-[
Unless it is different in the episode itself, something which I think it's unlikely to happen... I'm totally disappointed with this upscale.

This audio is the same horrible one from the Blu-ray Box I advertising on YouTube...

Welp. If anyone here owns the original Japanese DVD boxes, stick with this and be happy! (and even more if you got the Pegasus-Dragon-Cygnus-Andromeda-Phoenix ver. which came with cool covers and figures)

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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2014, 04:15:21 PM »
Unrelated but here's some screencaps from another of Toei's recent upscales, Slam Dunk.

http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/showthread.php?29672-Slam-Dunk-BD-Boxes&p=254390&viewfull=1#post254390

Quote from: BusterD
Got the first set.  It turned out pretty much like I was expecting, and is actually a somewhat satisfying upgrade from the DVDs, despite it being a smeary Q-Tec upscale.  The detail is actually better overall on the BDs due to the heavy MPEG compression on the DVDs, and the mosquito noise and ringing along outlines is gone.  The BDs are also in 1080p24 (not 1080i like the solicits said), so the crappy film cadence from the hard interlaced DVDs is also gone.  The DVDs also had a bit of a yellow-green tint that was fixed for the BDs.

Somewhat ironically, the audio seems completely unaltered and has a nice, natural sound with a slight bit of analog hiss.  Nice to finally have it in PCM.

The "Ketsui no Shohoku Baske-bu" special was pretty cool, it was a glorified hour-long recap episode, but there was a decent amount of new animation (maybe 30-50%).  Since it had never been released before, I assume they had to redo it from film (it looked too good to be an old broadcast master), but it was still an upscale.  The audio also seemed worse than the normal TV episodes.

Here's screenshot comparisons, BDs cropped and DVDs bicubic resized to 1440x1080 (the site kept crapping out on me when I tried to add multiple comparisons, so there's like 30 total comparisons with 1 or 2 in each link):
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82947
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82950
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82952
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82953
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82955
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82957
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82960
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82961
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82963
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82964
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82965
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82966
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82968
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/82970

So anyways, I guess I'll continue buying these.  I'll feel like a dirty whore since I hate upscales, but I also hate the Slam Dunk DVDs.  The packaging is at least pretty nice, although the disc art is recycled from the DVDs, and even though the cases are clear smoke, there's nothing on the inside cover.

As for DBZ Kai, it went from decent to bad now thanks to Buu. For those episodes, Toei did the remastering themselves and in addition to the 16:9 cropping (which will also be on the Japanese BD boxes unlike episodes 1-98 which were 4:3 on BD only), the episodes airing in Japan has a green tint in the video while the episodes airing in Korea (as part of the much longer international version) doesn't but apparently has darker colors.

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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #67 on: July 10, 2014, 04:50:54 PM »
Wow! Thanks for showing me those, NJ!
I may also feel like a "dirt whore", but I really liked those and now I want then! What an improvement!
They did a better job than Saint Seiya. But maybe there's a logical reason behind it: Saint Seiya and its dirty, 16mm master.
You will never get a good result with Saint Seiya, maybe, as I read in the Saint Seiya BD topic from this forum in which you showed me, that maybe it would be a perfect job if they did a real telecine remaster + a bit of DNR to remove at least a bit from the noise, and maybe (but I guess when you do new transfers this isn't needed. Ranma BD is an example, I guess. Ranma's bright red hair and clothes are perfect, and in the DVDs they are worse than anything you could see in Saint Seiya or in other series DVDs, they almost look like an VHS-rip transfered to DVDs) color correction.

But it would be a pricey process which Bandai, Toei or whatever, would never, ever, do.

And I'm sorry to say (I will just repeat something in which I previously said), but even being a fervorous Saint Seiya fan, this series sometimes is so poorly drawed, the quality is so uneven, that I don't think it deserves a real remaster. Waste of money and waste of time in my opinion.

Instead of doing this BD Boxes, or 97 Saint Seiya Omega episodes (even if I have nothing against this series and I like it a bit), or doing a pricey CG movie, why not doing a "Crystal" version of the whole thing without fillers or maybe with just a bit of them with the same quality from SS Pachinko animations?
I would be a bit sad with some of the new seiyuu voices, but overall it would be a great experience.

About Kai, what a shame. This green tint looks very horrible!

Still, I'm a bit thrilled with Slam Dunk BD upscale. I hope some group picks this version and subs this. At Nyaa there's Slam Dunk "Horrible Subs" version, and there is another subs for Slam Dunk at bakabt which I have in my computer, plus Saizen's subs til episode 26. So, this is quite possible.

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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #68 on: July 10, 2014, 07:52:47 PM »
Finally, a sample: http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=573395

Only the OP, though.

Judging by this video, I really disliked it. The upscale colors with Q-Tec filters got a bit weird, and my most deception was to heard that the audio quality is probably less/inferior than the one on the original DVDs! I listened both now with headphones.
And this is the truth, since the audio from this file is lossless, FLAC format.   :-[
Unless it is different in the episode itself, something which I think it's unlikely to happen... I'm totally disappointed with this upscale.

This audio is the same horrible one from the Blu-ray Box I advertising on YouTube...

Welp. If anyone here owns the original Japanese DVD boxes, stick with this and be happy! (and even more if you got the Pegasus-Dragon-Cygnus-Andromeda-Phoenix ver. which came with cool covers and figures)

Excellent; FLAC should be the only audio format.  Is it common on HD versions, or do they normally use compressed audio?

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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2014, 12:05:14 AM »
Lossless audio is the standart in HD versions, but it isn't FLAC which comes with it. Saint Seiya Blu-rays and mostly of the old series discs features LPCM audio format.
FLAC is the rip method to not lose quality when ripping/converting the track.
FLAC = Free Lossless Audio Codec
mp3 = lossy rip method

Compressed audio if often used in DVDs. That's why I'm expecting Saint Seiya BDs to at least have a better audio than the DVDs.

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« Reply #70 on: July 14, 2014, 01:53:41 AM »
Finally a better sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmB46RKa13s you must play this in 1080p.

Credits: Taizen Saint Seiya Facebook page

From Taizen:

Blu-ray box I: Hey guys, our analysis for the first box unfortunately will not come today because we are still preparing it and we don't have time to finish it today. Meanwhile, I prepared a very nice preview that will give the notion for all the general content of the episodes from this box. Remember that in episode 48, after the Hyoga's "death" in Libra, where there was a basic summary about the previous episodes? Well, I think it serves for you guys to see what was the general result of the conversion to full HD of the old episodes. Keep in mind that maybe some quality video and audio was lost in ripping and uploading it to YouTube, but I guess you can get an idea about it, don't you?

I hope you enjoy this preview and, if you reproduce this video around, share the link and give proper credit please, because it wasn't easy to bring up.


Translation PT-BR credits: me.  ;)


My opinion: definitely the opening got the sound quality reduced, who knows why. As for audio quality in the episode itself, I made a comparison with episode 48 from the Japanese DVD, and I didn't notice much difference. I cannot tell if it is equal, or better, or worse than the BD version, and I'm aware this is from the YouTube, but I think the  "YouTube factor" itself hasn't  really changed things.

In fact, Taizen made ​​a good choice because episode 48 is an overview of scenes and... I definitely didn't like what I saw. The line darkening filter when things are in movement is kinda weird, as in the scenes when zooming Seiya's fist when performing Pegasus Ryusei-ken, also like the Ikki attacking the scene, and as when the ice-coffing with Hyoga within it is shown.
The sepia with watercolor aspect of the scenarios were also a bit ruined, giving an aspect of darkened lines when it should be smooth, thin lines.

Toei's DNR sucks, and I don't think it's YouTube's fault. In the scene that appears the "Sagittarius Fake" joining the mask with its body in the sky, the sky itself is  flickering a lot, more than Hoj's encode, so they kinda failed to remove all the mosquito noise.
I know Saint Seiya noise and grainyis quite hard to remove, but I think people should expect more for 36,000.

The ugliest upscale scenes were the Pope Ares one, and the zoom on the cel where Saori's chest is pierced by Sagitta Ptolemy arrow.

Being sincere? I disliked the ugly darkening in the constrast, in general, and... it only made the lines looks like "doodles" and as the lines were "breaking", if I can't put it in English. ^^;

Please guys, don't misunderstand me and don't think I'm "bashing" the Blu-rays to get attention to the project which I work. We would love to see amazing Blu-rays with true HD definition and use it with our subs. (even if in the end I don't think the series deserves it, because it would be better a "Crystal" ver.)

I understand nothing about encoding (this matter I leave for Hoj), but I guess if you are a true fan, and if you pay for things and give support, you should also receive respect.
The lines got an ugly effect, and now it's pretty much confirmed that the Opening got a bad audio quality who knows why. The voices and background music is normal in the episode itself, and who knows how it will be with the other opening and endings.
I just found the visual issues plus the bad audio quality for the first opening something grievous. As I said, the DVD have a fine, "normal" audio for the first Op.

And for a comparison, below is two samples from Hoj's encode for the same scenes where I disliked most from the upscaled YouTube sample.





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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #71 on: July 15, 2014, 05:22:05 PM »
Preview of the Box II and its discs covers from Amazon:



Ikki and Shun are amazing! Himeno did a perfect job here.

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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #72 on: July 15, 2014, 09:50:55 PM »
ouch! right in the boob, looks so painful... xD

Sure would be nice if the classic series would ever get a reboot/crystal treatment.
Those disc boxes have such pretty art, everyone looks great. ^^


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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #73 on: July 31, 2014, 01:04:23 AM »
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Re: Saint Seiya TV Series Blu-ray!!
« Reply #74 on: August 11, 2014, 11:58:33 AM »
That Blu Ray quality looks so good!
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