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« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2011, 09:00:27 AM »

lol god no, Cain has never been spelled with a K.
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« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2011, 09:14:52 AM »

lol god no, Cain has never been spelled with a K.
but c and k are the same thing in the Japanese language so it probably is Cain 
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« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2011, 10:15:18 AM »

Well, in the previous era, there is the Bronze upgrade to Gold example so a Silver upgrading to Gold is possible. If this Kain is Gemini Cain/Kain, then he might have known Suikyou when he was still Silver... Wink

Anyway, according to the encyclopedia:
"In Sanctuary's Cemetery, many who are buried there are not just Saints who died in the Holy Wars, but some while executing orders had accidents or simply died.
    In the battle against the King of the Underworld, we are able to recognize many names of Silver Saints on the gravestones:

    SERGE, LUDWIG,GILLES, HELGA, JOSE, ALGERNON, TESS, SIROE, EDOMON, GAVIN, JUAN, BARBABA, IVAN, KAIN, ISAC, TONY, CIMA, TIMOTHY, HIMRAR, MIGEL, NOBO, SALOMO, VAN, ZOLA, KIM."
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« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2011, 11:21:52 AM »

lol god no, Cain has never been spelled with a K.

FF4 would like a word with you, but that's neither here nor there.

I think in greek there was no C, anyways - just K to make that sound.
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« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2011, 12:35:34 PM »

What i am saying is that the biblical persona Cain has always been spelled with a C, and the japanese should be well aware of that. Besides they spelled Cima with a C, so i am pretty sure Cain is not the same person as Kain, and that goes unless proven otherwise by official sources. Smiley
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« Reply #50 on: January 23, 2011, 02:18:58 PM »

Kaori Yuki's Count Cain is spelled with a "c" although of course you can't tell from katakana only. That's why I also think that Japanese are well aware of the traditional spelling of Cain.
Plus who cares about Greek, anyway? The Bible wasn't even written in Greek, originally. I don't think anyone on that forum knows how Cain was written for the very first time in the Old Testament. It was only translated into Greek later.
You might want to argue that we're interested in how modern Greeks would transcribe Cain's name, since Saint Seiya takes place in Greece. But that's not the point either, since we're not writing Cain in Greek script, but in Roman script.

Bottom line is - Cain and Abel, not Kain and Aberu. Unless Kurumada says otherwise.
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« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2011, 03:34:00 AM »

The problem, Tetsu, is that even official source aren’t coherent, like the example of Kanon/Canon I said.

So while it’s quite probable someday the ND twin will be written correctly ”Cain”; I can’t exclude Kurumada had taken inspiration from the biblical figure for that tomb.
The names of grave are evocative, I think.
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« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2011, 04:15:56 AM »

@Proteus

For Cain yes we can't be sure, for Canon we are sure.

Masami already confirmed in a interview that Canon was named after the island, Canon Island.  Wink

But since, Masami does use biblical names in the past mangas, any thing's possible for the Cain thing....
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« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2011, 07:46:46 AM »

Eh, when it's phonetic, it can be hard to tell. Ls and Rs get this alot when transtlating, too.
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« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2011, 04:59:18 PM »

You’re right, my complain was that even official pubblication have mispelling, like Kanon in CosmoSpecial (but correct in Visual Book)

I heard there was another problem with a name on grave in classical manga, Ptolemy-Tramy, isn’t it?
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« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2011, 12:05:01 AM »

Tremy seems to ring a bell. But that'd also make sense - Ptolemy getting bablefish'd
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« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2011, 12:18:56 AM »

Tremy was used in the Viz translation. Most of the names stayed relatively close, minus some L/R switching.

But yeah, sometimes, names can seem close, but have a slight name change.
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« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2011, 05:42:04 AM »

You’re right, my complain was that even official pubblication have mispelling, like Kanon in CosmoSpecial (but correct in Visual Book)

I heard there was another problem with a name on grave in classical manga, Ptolemy-Tramy, isn’t it?


Canon's idenity wasn't revealed yet when Cosmo Special came out I think you mean Remix Hades Sanctuary Book with the concept info pages of the OVA... Wink

Trammy is spelled in Cosmo Special. Ptolemy is spelled on the graves.

It's just for people to decide for themselves like the Cain thing if they are the same guys or not... Smiley
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« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2011, 08:41:57 AM »

  Of course you're right, "Kanon" mispelling is in other collateral merchandise, like Myth Metal Plate, but definetely it couldn't in CS. gosh

So Ptolemy is a possibly but fandom association?  I didn't know! Thx
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