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General / Classic GS vs Omega GS
« on: January 23, 2016, 10:10:21 AM »

General / Re: SSF member activity research - forum is dying?
« on: May 26, 2015, 05:26:12 AM »
I actually checked out her website recently, and it reads 1996-2010 at the bottom. Which means it actually hasn't been renewed in five years.
It means it hasn't been updated with new content, but it's got to have been renewed, or it would have been deleted from the servers. Domains cost a yearly fee. Unless she has set up an automatic renewal contract (which by itself would imply a still-functioning credit card or bank account), someone is paying to keep it active, even if new content is no longer added.

General / Re: SSF member activity research - forum is dying?
« on: May 25, 2015, 05:30:43 PM »
I haven't been able to find her online ever since. Shaina is a computer teacher so there should at least be a FEW traces of her online... there are none, which just made alarm bells ring in my head. See, Shaina and her dad both had some health issues and if anything happened to either of them... yeah, I've been kind of worried for the past four years.
Me too, and I've known her since about the late 90s, through her website, possibly the very first Saint Seiya website I've ever visited. Last I heard of her, she was battling severe depression, but I'm hopeful she's ok as long as her website is still up. It hasn't been updated since 2009, but domains usually require yearly renewals so someone must be paying to keep it from being removed.

General / Re: SSF member activity research - forum is dying?
« on: May 25, 2015, 04:51:17 PM »
I suppose it's a mix of lack of interest towards the newer StS' serieses, increase in places on the internet where to find scans/episodes, lack of time and life generally catching up. Over in my forum, I find that older people who grew up with classic Saint Seiya were generally happier to discuss the series at lenght, until something happened (marriage or kids, usually) and they couldn't anymore. On the other hand, most (albeit definitely not all) younger fans tend to register to find scans or links, or on a whim, or are put off by the mostly negative attitude towards more recent products.

Episode G / Re: Episode G.A #26
« on: May 22, 2015, 01:46:12 PM »
The new guy armor looked like Pontos' armor! Any info? Cool design btw
He's Lancelot, we've seen him in issue #1 IIRC

General / Re: Ranking of the Gold Saints by strength
« on: March 16, 2015, 03:43:27 PM »
Over the past few years, we have collected votes on this matter over in my forum, and with 149 people taking part, this was the result

Soul of Gold / Re: SOG Ep1 "Resurrect! Gold Legend!"
« on: March 16, 2015, 03:41:36 PM »
If the merch is any indication, following the rumor, should be Aries gets the upgrade next...
Sources agree two more God Gold Cloths are coming out this year in the Myth Cloth line, in August and October. The October myth should be Shaka, but as far as August goes, some say it will be Mu and some say it will be Doko.

Episode G / Re: Episode G.A #17
« on: February 10, 2015, 05:19:25 AM »
He is the mythological Sigfried :D

General / Re: Ranking of the Gold Saints by strength
« on: February 03, 2015, 04:18:55 PM »
You are twisting the facts...

were the three struggling to get out of tenbu? so getting free hits on 3 guys who were not even caring about the tenbu makes you the strongest?
They weren't struggling because they had already realized their situation was hopeless once trapped in TH. You know, they *say so*, page 98 of the American edition
"neither attack nor escape? so we are stuck inside Shaka's spell... but at this rate"
"That's right, you cannot win. If you wish to defeat me, you only have one move..."

These two sentences alone sum it up. Other than AE, they are powerless inside TH. And since you need 3 Gold Saints to use AE, TH makes Shaka superior to any individual Gold Saint (or at least to any of these 3).

did tenbu even remotely stop the AE?
Shaka wanted to die, that's stated repeatedly over and over again, so he let them use AE.
Now, could he have stopped the AE if he wanted to? Probably not, because the AE increases the cosmo geometrically, not exponentially, so the power released becomes greater than the sum of their individual cosmos, and once you surpass Shaka's cosmo, you probably undo TH. But again, it doesn't matter, because you need 3 GS to use AE.

did what the author said ever turned out to be true? all golds are equal and marinas are on par with gold?
He didn't say either of these things, not in the way you mean it. Marinas consider themselves on par with Gold Saints, but Seiya dismisses this statement. What Kurumada did say in an interview is that Marinas should be as powerful as Gold Saints, but because Poseidon was awakened before his time, they also couldn't access their full power.
The answer about the strongest GS, from the 2004 Saint Seiya Info Red interview, was also very clear: "it's hard to say because they are all very strong, but if I have to say a name, I'd say Shaka".

clothes dont matter right?
Not at all. Being in a Surplice didn't prevent Shion from drawing against Doko, and their power was said to be exactly the same. If Sion was hindered by his Surplice, Doko would have prevailed.

do you understand what "man closets to god means?" if you so choose to go this way, tryin to hang on, saga was called the incarnation of a god. simple english here: man closest to god is not a god. incarnation of a god means, like a god
Shiryu refers to himself as the Dragon God once or twice, does that make him so? Being is one thing, being called is another, especially when the incarnation got his ass kicked by the other one. I don't even care about the "man closest to god" thing, that's just a title. What I care about is

- Galaxian Explosion hardly cracking Shaka's Khan and being totally dispelled once he opens his eyes, despite the added power of Excalibur and Diamond Dust
- Another Dimension hitting Shaka without producing any result.
- GenroMaoKen not working on Gold Saints whose mental defences are ready.

What does that leave Saga with? Nothing.
On the other side, we have.

- Khan, showed to be capable of stopping Saga's Galaxian Explosion.
- Rikudo Rinne, against which Saga wouldn't have any defence.
- Tenbu Horin, showed to make Saga totally powerless on his own.

also if you consider cain strongest gold saint so far, what does that make shaka?
I did write it, you must have missed it.

- Shaka: strongest Gold Saint from the classic series, by far.
- Cain: strongest Gold Saint seen in a manga (with the possible exception of Aiolia when he could access the Dunamis in Tartaros).
- Amor / Seiya: strongest Gold Saint of all considering every series seen so far, both anime and manga.

Why do I consider Cain the strongest? Because Ikki says so, and because his GE completely trashes Ikki, who not long before had easily stopped Kanon's. And that's despite the fact that Ikki already knew the move and was wearing a superior Cloth. Can he be topped? Of course he can, we still haven't seen Ophiucus, Scorpio, Sagittarius and Aquarius from ND, so who knows what Kuru has in mind. Perhaps time travelling has weakened Ikki. Perhaps Cain hides something. Too early to tell.

The point I'm trying to make is, it's ok to theorize about who would win a fight that was never showed, but when the actual fight was seen, it becomes a silly exercise in pretense. I can make a thousand arguments to prove that Shiryu is stronger than Seiya in the Galaxian Wars, but the fact remains that Seiya won. End of story. Likewise, Saga had to use a forbidden technique (suggested to him by Shaka and that Shaka allowed him to use) and the help of two fellow Gold Saints to go past the Sala Garden. That makes Shaka a lot stronger than him. Once again, end of story.

But I know how Saga fans are, so feel free to come up with even stranger theories to prove that Saga is stronger than Zeus, Chronos and Uranus put together...

General / Re: Ranking of the Gold Saints by strength
« on: February 03, 2015, 01:43:06 PM »
none convinced you?
Not even remotely. I've read all these arguments and many more many times, and I've always found them a ludicrous way to refuse to admit what the story shows in a plain and simple way (which happens to be the same thing said by two authors, Kurumada and Okada, the only ones to have used the classic GSs so far).

I'm happy to theorize about fights that never happened. For example, is Shaka stronger than Sigfried? or Minos? We've never seen them fight, so that's where theories can come forward and a discussion gets interesting. But Shaka being by far (far far far) the strongest GS is so obvious to me, it's not even worth writing about. It will however be interesting to see how/if Soul of Gold changes the status quo, given that Aioria will be the main star.

I should also add that I consider Cain from ND to be the strongest Gold Saint ever seen in a manga, and Amor or Seiya from Omega to be the absolutely strongest Gold Saints ever seen so far.

General / Re: Ranking of the Gold Saints by strength
« on: February 03, 2015, 06:23:14 AM »
So why in the world are people who're defending Shaka so compelled to put Shaka in No. 1 or even put an abyss between him and every one else to the point where no other alternatives (3.) are possible? Isn't that extremely unreasonable? Especially when we're basing all our thoughts from source materials that are more that comfortable at contradicting themself.
As far as I'm concerned, it all stems from the fight against Shura, Camus and Saga in the Hades Arc, where the three of them are powerless against Tembu Horin. This makes me conclude that Shaka, using TH, is about three times stronger than a powerful Gold Saint, hence the abyss. I've read multiple arguments analysing those scenes in a way that would reduce the gap, or coming up with roundabout theories to justify the difference, but none has even remotely convinced me.

General / Re: Ranking of the Gold Saints by strength
« on: February 01, 2015, 02:39:41 PM »
Why don't we post what *we* think is the ranking of the Gold Saints in decreasing strength (based on appearances in the original manga/anime only)?

1) Virgo Shaka


2) Gemini Saga

*another little abyss*

3) Leo Aiolia
4) Aries Mu
5) Capricorn Shura
6) Libra Dohko
7) Scorpio Milo
8) Taurus Aldebaran
9) Aquarius Camus = Cancer Deathmask = Pisces Aphrodite

I didn't include Aiolos as we've seen too little of him.

Soul of Gold / Re: Saint Seiya: Soul of Gold -New Anime
« on: January 30, 2015, 02:45:48 PM »
yup. or... at this point, the SS franchise is not as strong as the other ones being featured.

Actually, thanks to the massive success of Omega and the mobile card games, it was their third best franchise after One Piece and Dragonball as recently as in the first quarter of 2014. So much so that it received special commendation...

Misc Anime News / Re: New anime based on CGI film rumor
« on: January 30, 2015, 02:37:51 PM »
TOEI doesn't like the franchise and is trying to kill it but I can stick to the old Saint Seiya...which brings me to this it possible that TOEI pays Masami not to write Saint Seiya?...also if they don't like the franchise why did they even took it to begin with? TOEI can go and  %^&* themselves. 
I can't believe anyone seriously thinks this...
If Toei doesn't like something, they don't produce anything else about it, end of story. Toei loves Saint Seiya, it's a source of income for them, their third biggest in fact (graphs released last year). They are a business, they are out there to make money, not to "kill franchises". However they understand StS, like any series, needs to move forward because old fans can only grow older and eventually die, so they are trying to bring new fans in by reinventing certain elements.

That's what Marvel and DC have been doing for 50+ years, and they are still around with multimillion movies coming out every year. Originally Superman couldn't fly, he could only jump very high. Then they made him fly and everyone was happier. People embraced it, didn't go around complaining DC didn't love SM anymore and was trying to kill the franchise.

Seriously, it's those old fans who are unable or unwilling to accept *anything* that's new and different, who are killing the brand.

Misc Anime News / Re: New anime based on CGI film rumor
« on: January 30, 2015, 05:25:12 AM »
If they do go through with this I hope they make things right by not making Seiya and the others into Power Rangers (it is because of the masks) stick to the storyline and not gender bending characters. I just thought of something if they do a sequel on the hades arc I know in this alternate universe known as LoS Shura I heard didn't die I read that the other 4 did so I guess Shura won't have a surplice and I wonder what Dohko will look like because he is part of the hades arc and how will they explain who he is to the newer audiences because I heard he wasn't in LoS.
They said that, if they do the Hades Arc, it will be 90% new material. The original Hades saga is too long to adapt.

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